| ============================ |
| Transparent Hugepage Support |
| ============================ |
| |
| Objective |
| ========= |
| |
| Performance critical computing applications dealing with large memory |
| working sets are already running on top of libhugetlbfs and in turn |
| hugetlbfs. Transparent HugePage Support (THP) is an alternative mean of |
| using huge pages for the backing of virtual memory with huge pages |
| that supports the automatic promotion and demotion of page sizes and |
| without the shortcomings of hugetlbfs. |
| |
| Currently THP only works for anonymous memory mappings and tmpfs/shmem. |
| But in the future it can expand to other filesystems. |
| |
| .. note:: |
| in the examples below we presume that the basic page size is 4K and |
| the huge page size is 2M, although the actual numbers may vary |
| depending on the CPU architecture. |
| |
| The reason applications are running faster is because of two |
| factors. The first factor is almost completely irrelevant and it's not |
| of significant interest because it'll also have the downside of |
| requiring larger clear-page copy-page in page faults which is a |
| potentially negative effect. The first factor consists in taking a |
| single page fault for each 2M virtual region touched by userland (so |
| reducing the enter/exit kernel frequency by a 512 times factor). This |
| only matters the first time the memory is accessed for the lifetime of |
| a memory mapping. The second long lasting and much more important |
| factor will affect all subsequent accesses to the memory for the whole |
| runtime of the application. The second factor consist of two |
| components: |
| |
| 1) the TLB miss will run faster (especially with virtualization using |
| nested pagetables but almost always also on bare metal without |
| virtualization) |
| |
| 2) a single TLB entry will be mapping a much larger amount of virtual |
| memory in turn reducing the number of TLB misses. With |
| virtualization and nested pagetables the TLB can be mapped of |
| larger size only if both KVM and the Linux guest are using |
| hugepages but a significant speedup already happens if only one of |
| the two is using hugepages just because of the fact the TLB miss is |
| going to run faster. |
| |
| Modern kernels support "multi-size THP" (mTHP), which introduces the |
| ability to allocate memory in blocks that are bigger than a base page |
| but smaller than traditional PMD-size (as described above), in |
| increments of a power-of-2 number of pages. mTHP can back anonymous |
| memory (for example 16K, 32K, 64K, etc). These THPs continue to be |
| PTE-mapped, but in many cases can still provide similar benefits to |
| those outlined above: Page faults are significantly reduced (by a |
| factor of e.g. 4, 8, 16, etc), but latency spikes are much less |
| prominent because the size of each page isn't as huge as the PMD-sized |
| variant and there is less memory to clear in each page fault. Some |
| architectures also employ TLB compression mechanisms to squeeze more |
| entries in when a set of PTEs are virtually and physically contiguous |
| and approporiately aligned. In this case, TLB misses will occur less |
| often. |
| |
| THP can be enabled system wide or restricted to certain tasks or even |
| memory ranges inside task's address space. Unless THP is completely |
| disabled, there is ``khugepaged`` daemon that scans memory and |
| collapses sequences of basic pages into PMD-sized huge pages. |
| |
| The THP behaviour is controlled via :ref:`sysfs <thp_sysfs>` |
| interface and using madvise(2) and prctl(2) system calls. |
| |
| Transparent Hugepage Support maximizes the usefulness of free memory |
| if compared to the reservation approach of hugetlbfs by allowing all |
| unused memory to be used as cache or other movable (or even unmovable |
| entities). It doesn't require reservation to prevent hugepage |
| allocation failures to be noticeable from userland. It allows paging |
| and all other advanced VM features to be available on the |
| hugepages. It requires no modifications for applications to take |
| advantage of it. |
| |
| Applications however can be further optimized to take advantage of |
| this feature, like for example they've been optimized before to avoid |
| a flood of mmap system calls for every malloc(4k). Optimizing userland |
| is by far not mandatory and khugepaged already can take care of long |
| lived page allocations even for hugepage unaware applications that |
| deals with large amounts of memory. |
| |
| In certain cases when hugepages are enabled system wide, application |
| may end up allocating more memory resources. An application may mmap a |
| large region but only touch 1 byte of it, in that case a 2M page might |
| be allocated instead of a 4k page for no good. This is why it's |
| possible to disable hugepages system-wide and to only have them inside |
| MADV_HUGEPAGE madvise regions. |
| |
| Embedded systems should enable hugepages only inside madvise regions |
| to eliminate any risk of wasting any precious byte of memory and to |
| only run faster. |
| |
| Applications that gets a lot of benefit from hugepages and that don't |
| risk to lose memory by using hugepages, should use |
| madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on their critical mmapped regions. |
| |
| .. _thp_sysfs: |
| |
| sysfs |
| ===== |
| |
| Global THP controls |
| ------------------- |
| |
| Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled |
| (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE |
| regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled |
| system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of:: |
| |
| echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled |
| echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled |
| echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled |
| |
| where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes |
| for which vary by system. |
| |
| For example:: |
| |
| echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-2048kB/enabled |
| |
| Alternatively it is possible to specify that a given hugepage size |
| will inherit the top-level "enabled" value:: |
| |
| echo inherit >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled |
| |
| For example:: |
| |
| echo inherit >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-2048kB/enabled |
| |
| The top-level setting (for use with "inherit") can be set by issuing |
| one of the following commands:: |
| |
| echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled |
| echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled |
| echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled |
| |
| By default, PMD-sized hugepages have enabled="inherit" and all other |
| hugepage sizes have enabled="never". If enabling multiple hugepage |
| sizes, the kernel will select the most appropriate enabled size for a |
| given allocation. |
| |
| It's also possible to limit defrag efforts in the VM to generate |
| anonymous hugepages in case they're not immediately free to madvise |
| regions or to never try to defrag memory and simply fallback to regular |
| pages unless hugepages are immediately available. Clearly if we spend CPU |
| time to defrag memory, we would expect to gain even more by the fact we |
| use hugepages later instead of regular pages. This isn't always |
| guaranteed, but it may be more likely in case the allocation is for a |
| MADV_HUGEPAGE region. |
| |
| :: |
| |
| echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag |
| echo defer >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag |
| echo defer+madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag |
| echo madvise >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag |
| echo never >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag |
| |
| always |
| means that an application requesting THP will stall on |
| allocation failure and directly reclaim pages and compact |
| memory in an effort to allocate a THP immediately. This may be |
| desirable for virtual machines that benefit heavily from THP |
| use and are willing to delay the VM start to utilise them. |
| |
| defer |
| means that an application will wake kswapd in the background |
| to reclaim pages and wake kcompactd to compact memory so that |
| THP is available in the near future. It's the responsibility |
| of khugepaged to then install the THP pages later. |
| |
| defer+madvise |
| will enter direct reclaim and compaction like ``always``, but |
| only for regions that have used madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE); all |
| other regions will wake kswapd in the background to reclaim |
| pages and wake kcompactd to compact memory so that THP is |
| available in the near future. |
| |
| madvise |
| will enter direct reclaim like ``always`` but only for regions |
| that are have used madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE). This is the default |
| behaviour. |
| |
| never |
| should be self-explanatory. |
| |
| By default kernel tries to use huge, PMD-mappable zero page on read |
| page fault to anonymous mapping. It's possible to disable huge zero |
| page by writing 0 or enable it back by writing 1:: |
| |
| echo 0 >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/use_zero_page |
| echo 1 >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/use_zero_page |
| |
| Some userspace (such as a test program, or an optimized memory |
| allocation library) may want to know the size (in bytes) of a |
| PMD-mappable transparent hugepage:: |
| |
| cat /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hpage_pmd_size |
| |
| All THPs at fault and collapse time will be added to _deferred_list, |
| and will therefore be split under memory presure if they are considered |
| "underused". A THP is underused if the number of zero-filled pages in |
| the THP is above max_ptes_none (see below). It is possible to disable |
| this behaviour by writing 0 to shrink_underused, and enable it by writing |
| 1 to it:: |
| |
| echo 0 > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/shrink_underused |
| echo 1 > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/shrink_underused |
| |
| khugepaged will be automatically started when PMD-sized THP is enabled |
| (either of the per-size anon control or the top-level control are set |
| to "always" or "madvise"), and it'll be automatically shutdown when |
| PMD-sized THP is disabled (when both the per-size anon control and the |
| top-level control are "never") |
| |
| Khugepaged controls |
| ------------------- |
| |
| .. note:: |
| khugepaged currently only searches for opportunities to collapse to |
| PMD-sized THP and no attempt is made to collapse to other THP |
| sizes. |
| |
| khugepaged runs usually at low frequency so while one may not want to |
| invoke defrag algorithms synchronously during the page faults, it |
| should be worth invoking defrag at least in khugepaged. However it's |
| also possible to disable defrag in khugepaged by writing 0 or enable |
| defrag in khugepaged by writing 1:: |
| |
| echo 0 >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/defrag |
| echo 1 >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/defrag |
| |
| You can also control how many pages khugepaged should scan at each |
| pass:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/pages_to_scan |
| |
| and how many milliseconds to wait in khugepaged between each pass (you |
| can set this to 0 to run khugepaged at 100% utilization of one core):: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/scan_sleep_millisecs |
| |
| and how many milliseconds to wait in khugepaged if there's an hugepage |
| allocation failure to throttle the next allocation attempt:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/alloc_sleep_millisecs |
| |
| The khugepaged progress can be seen in the number of pages collapsed (note |
| that this counter may not be an exact count of the number of pages |
| collapsed, since "collapsed" could mean multiple things: (1) A PTE mapping |
| being replaced by a PMD mapping, or (2) All 4K physical pages replaced by |
| one 2M hugepage. Each may happen independently, or together, depending on |
| the type of memory and the failures that occur. As such, this value should |
| be interpreted roughly as a sign of progress, and counters in /proc/vmstat |
| consulted for more accurate accounting):: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/pages_collapsed |
| |
| for each pass:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/full_scans |
| |
| ``max_ptes_none`` specifies how many extra small pages (that are |
| not already mapped) can be allocated when collapsing a group |
| of small pages into one large page:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_none |
| |
| A higher value leads to use additional memory for programs. |
| A lower value leads to gain less thp performance. Value of |
| max_ptes_none can waste cpu time very little, you can |
| ignore it. |
| |
| ``max_ptes_swap`` specifies how many pages can be brought in from |
| swap when collapsing a group of pages into a transparent huge page:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_swap |
| |
| A higher value can cause excessive swap IO and waste |
| memory. A lower value can prevent THPs from being |
| collapsed, resulting fewer pages being collapsed into |
| THPs, and lower memory access performance. |
| |
| ``max_ptes_shared`` specifies how many pages can be shared across multiple |
| processes. khugepaged might treat pages of THPs as shared if any page of |
| that THP is shared. Exceeding the number would block the collapse:: |
| |
| /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_shared |
| |
| A higher value may increase memory footprint for some workloads. |
| |
| Boot parameters |
| =============== |
| |
| You can change the sysfs boot time default for the top-level "enabled" |
| control by passing the parameter ``transparent_hugepage=always`` or |
| ``transparent_hugepage=madvise`` or ``transparent_hugepage=never`` to the |
| kernel command line. |
| |
| Alternatively, each supported anonymous THP size can be controlled by |
| passing ``thp_anon=<size>,<size>[KMG]:<state>;<size>-<size>[KMG]:<state>``, |
| where ``<size>`` is the THP size (must be a power of 2 of PAGE_SIZE and |
| supported anonymous THP) and ``<state>`` is one of ``always``, ``madvise``, |
| ``never`` or ``inherit``. |
| |
| For example, the following will set 16K, 32K, 64K THP to ``always``, |
| set 128K, 512K to ``inherit``, set 256K to ``madvise`` and 1M, 2M |
| to ``never``:: |
| |
| thp_anon=16K-64K:always;128K,512K:inherit;256K:madvise;1M-2M:never |
| |
| ``thp_anon=`` may be specified multiple times to configure all THP sizes as |
| required. If ``thp_anon=`` is specified at least once, any anon THP sizes |
| not explicitly configured on the command line are implicitly set to |
| ``never``. |
| |
| ``transparent_hugepage`` setting only affects the global toggle. If |
| ``thp_anon`` is not specified, PMD_ORDER THP will default to ``inherit``. |
| However, if a valid ``thp_anon`` setting is provided by the user, the |
| PMD_ORDER THP policy will be overridden. If the policy for PMD_ORDER |
| is not defined within a valid ``thp_anon``, its policy will default to |
| ``never``. |
| |
| Hugepages in tmpfs/shmem |
| ======================== |
| |
| You can control hugepage allocation policy in tmpfs with mount option |
| ``huge=``. It can have following values: |
| |
| always |
| Attempt to allocate huge pages every time we need a new page; |
| |
| never |
| Do not allocate huge pages; |
| |
| within_size |
| Only allocate huge page if it will be fully within i_size. |
| Also respect fadvise()/madvise() hints; |
| |
| advise |
| Only allocate huge pages if requested with fadvise()/madvise(); |
| |
| The default policy is ``never``. |
| |
| ``mount -o remount,huge= /mountpoint`` works fine after mount: remounting |
| ``huge=never`` will not attempt to break up huge pages at all, just stop more |
| from being allocated. |
| |
| There's also sysfs knob to control hugepage allocation policy for internal |
| shmem mount: /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/shmem_enabled. The mount |
| is used for SysV SHM, memfds, shared anonymous mmaps (of /dev/zero or |
| MAP_ANONYMOUS), GPU drivers' DRM objects, Ashmem. |
| |
| In addition to policies listed above, shmem_enabled allows two further |
| values: |
| |
| deny |
| For use in emergencies, to force the huge option off from |
| all mounts; |
| force |
| Force the huge option on for all - very useful for testing; |
| |
| Shmem can also use "multi-size THP" (mTHP) by adding a new sysfs knob to |
| control mTHP allocation: |
| '/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/shmem_enabled', |
| and its value for each mTHP is essentially consistent with the global |
| setting. An 'inherit' option is added to ensure compatibility with these |
| global settings. Conversely, the options 'force' and 'deny' are dropped, |
| which are rather testing artifacts from the old ages. |
| |
| always |
| Attempt to allocate <size> huge pages every time we need a new page; |
| |
| inherit |
| Inherit the top-level "shmem_enabled" value. By default, PMD-sized hugepages |
| have enabled="inherit" and all other hugepage sizes have enabled="never"; |
| |
| never |
| Do not allocate <size> huge pages; |
| |
| within_size |
| Only allocate <size> huge page if it will be fully within i_size. |
| Also respect fadvise()/madvise() hints; |
| |
| advise |
| Only allocate <size> huge pages if requested with fadvise()/madvise(); |
| |
| Need of application restart |
| =========================== |
| |
| The transparent_hugepage/enabled and |
| transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/enabled values and tmpfs mount |
| option only affect future behavior. So to make them effective you need |
| to restart any application that could have been using hugepages. This |
| also applies to the regions registered in khugepaged. |
| |
| Monitoring usage |
| ================ |
| |
| The number of PMD-sized anonymous transparent huge pages currently used by the |
| system is available by reading the AnonHugePages field in ``/proc/meminfo``. |
| To identify what applications are using PMD-sized anonymous transparent huge |
| pages, it is necessary to read ``/proc/PID/smaps`` and count the AnonHugePages |
| fields for each mapping. (Note that AnonHugePages only applies to traditional |
| PMD-sized THP for historical reasons and should have been called |
| AnonHugePmdMapped). |
| |
| The number of file transparent huge pages mapped to userspace is available |
| by reading ShmemPmdMapped and ShmemHugePages fields in ``/proc/meminfo``. |
| To identify what applications are mapping file transparent huge pages, it |
| is necessary to read ``/proc/PID/smaps`` and count the FileHugeMapped fields |
| for each mapping. |
| |
| Note that reading the smaps file is expensive and reading it |
| frequently will incur overhead. |
| |
| There are a number of counters in ``/proc/vmstat`` that may be used to |
| monitor how successfully the system is providing huge pages for use. |
| |
| thp_fault_alloc |
| is incremented every time a huge page is successfully |
| allocated and charged to handle a page fault. |
| |
| thp_collapse_alloc |
| is incremented by khugepaged when it has found |
| a range of pages to collapse into one huge page and has |
| successfully allocated a new huge page to store the data. |
| |
| thp_fault_fallback |
| is incremented if a page fault fails to allocate or charge |
| a huge page and instead falls back to using small pages. |
| |
| thp_fault_fallback_charge |
| is incremented if a page fault fails to charge a huge page and |
| instead falls back to using small pages even though the |
| allocation was successful. |
| |
| thp_collapse_alloc_failed |
| is incremented if khugepaged found a range |
| of pages that should be collapsed into one huge page but failed |
| the allocation. |
| |
| thp_file_alloc |
| is incremented every time a shmem huge page is successfully |
| allocated (Note that despite being named after "file", the counter |
| measures only shmem). |
| |
| thp_file_fallback |
| is incremented if a shmem huge page is attempted to be allocated |
| but fails and instead falls back to using small pages. (Note that |
| despite being named after "file", the counter measures only shmem). |
| |
| thp_file_fallback_charge |
| is incremented if a shmem huge page cannot be charged and instead |
| falls back to using small pages even though the allocation was |
| successful. (Note that despite being named after "file", the |
| counter measures only shmem). |
| |
| thp_file_mapped |
| is incremented every time a file or shmem huge page is mapped into |
| user address space. |
| |
| thp_split_page |
| is incremented every time a huge page is split into base |
| pages. This can happen for a variety of reasons but a common |
| reason is that a huge page is old and is being reclaimed. |
| This action implies splitting all PMD the page mapped with. |
| |
| thp_split_page_failed |
| is incremented if kernel fails to split huge |
| page. This can happen if the page was pinned by somebody. |
| |
| thp_deferred_split_page |
| is incremented when a huge page is put onto split |
| queue. This happens when a huge page is partially unmapped and |
| splitting it would free up some memory. Pages on split queue are |
| going to be split under memory pressure. |
| |
| thp_underused_split_page |
| is incremented when a huge page on the split queue was split |
| because it was underused. A THP is underused if the number of |
| zero pages in the THP is above a certain threshold |
| (/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_none). |
| |
| thp_split_pmd |
| is incremented every time a PMD split into table of PTEs. |
| This can happen, for instance, when application calls mprotect() or |
| munmap() on part of huge page. It doesn't split huge page, only |
| page table entry. |
| |
| thp_zero_page_alloc |
| is incremented every time a huge zero page used for thp is |
| successfully allocated. Note, it doesn't count every map of |
| the huge zero page, only its allocation. |
| |
| thp_zero_page_alloc_failed |
| is incremented if kernel fails to allocate |
| huge zero page and falls back to using small pages. |
| |
| thp_swpout |
| is incremented every time a huge page is swapout in one |
| piece without splitting. |
| |
| thp_swpout_fallback |
| is incremented if a huge page has to be split before swapout. |
| Usually because failed to allocate some continuous swap space |
| for the huge page. |
| |
| In /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-<size>kB/stats, There are |
| also individual counters for each huge page size, which can be utilized to |
| monitor the system's effectiveness in providing huge pages for usage. Each |
| counter has its own corresponding file. |
| |
| anon_fault_alloc |
| is incremented every time a huge page is successfully |
| allocated and charged to handle a page fault. |
| |
| anon_fault_fallback |
| is incremented if a page fault fails to allocate or charge |
| a huge page and instead falls back to using huge pages with |
| lower orders or small pages. |
| |
| anon_fault_fallback_charge |
| is incremented if a page fault fails to charge a huge page and |
| instead falls back to using huge pages with lower orders or |
| small pages even though the allocation was successful. |
| |
| swpout |
| is incremented every time a huge page is swapped out in one |
| piece without splitting. |
| |
| swpout_fallback |
| is incremented if a huge page has to be split before swapout. |
| Usually because failed to allocate some continuous swap space |
| for the huge page. |
| |
| shmem_alloc |
| is incremented every time a shmem huge page is successfully |
| allocated. |
| |
| shmem_fallback |
| is incremented if a shmem huge page is attempted to be allocated |
| but fails and instead falls back to using small pages. |
| |
| shmem_fallback_charge |
| is incremented if a shmem huge page cannot be charged and instead |
| falls back to using small pages even though the allocation was |
| successful. |
| |
| split |
| is incremented every time a huge page is successfully split into |
| smaller orders. This can happen for a variety of reasons but a |
| common reason is that a huge page is old and is being reclaimed. |
| |
| split_failed |
| is incremented if kernel fails to split huge |
| page. This can happen if the page was pinned by somebody. |
| |
| split_deferred |
| is incremented when a huge page is put onto split queue. |
| This happens when a huge page is partially unmapped and splitting |
| it would free up some memory. Pages on split queue are going to |
| be split under memory pressure, if splitting is possible. |
| |
| nr_anon |
| the number of anonymous THP we have in the whole system. These THPs |
| might be currently entirely mapped or have partially unmapped/unused |
| subpages. |
| |
| nr_anon_partially_mapped |
| the number of anonymous THP which are likely partially mapped, possibly |
| wasting memory, and have been queued for deferred memory reclamation. |
| Note that in corner some cases (e.g., failed migration), we might detect |
| an anonymous THP as "partially mapped" and count it here, even though it |
| is not actually partially mapped anymore. |
| |
| As the system ages, allocating huge pages may be expensive as the |
| system uses memory compaction to copy data around memory to free a |
| huge page for use. There are some counters in ``/proc/vmstat`` to help |
| monitor this overhead. |
| |
| compact_stall |
| is incremented every time a process stalls to run |
| memory compaction so that a huge page is free for use. |
| |
| compact_success |
| is incremented if the system compacted memory and |
| freed a huge page for use. |
| |
| compact_fail |
| is incremented if the system tries to compact memory |
| but failed. |
| |
| It is possible to establish how long the stalls were using the function |
| tracer to record how long was spent in __alloc_pages() and |
| using the mm_page_alloc tracepoint to identify which allocations were |
| for huge pages. |
| |
| Optimizing the applications |
| =========================== |
| |
| To be guaranteed that the kernel will map a THP immediately in any |
| memory region, the mmap region has to be hugepage naturally |
| aligned. posix_memalign() can provide that guarantee. |
| |
| Hugetlbfs |
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| You can use hugetlbfs on a kernel that has transparent hugepage |
| support enabled just fine as always. No difference can be noted in |
| hugetlbfs other than there will be less overall fragmentation. All |
| usual features belonging to hugetlbfs are preserved and |
| unaffected. libhugetlbfs will also work fine as usual. |